Curse

Plix · Jan 31, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

It aint happenin'. As said numerous times above, running is not an official part of Guild Wars. It was merely created by the players. I cant emphasize that enough. A lot of runners are ignorant of that fact. As with all business, you must take risks, especially one that isnt backed up by protection of some sort. And we all know there will be countless threads after this one, as there have been before this, so please runners out there, remember, if you got scammed, suck it up, possibly think of a way not to get scammed, and dont rant about it.

Note: I'm not anti-runner. I have nothing against it except for really extreme running to places where people shouldnt be run to. *cough*Droks*cough* but that's a different story.

Ultimate_Gaara · Feb 01, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

Runners deserve to be scammed, I have not scammed anyone but everytime I read a thread like this I really feel like doing so. If you are a runner getting scammed is just a work hazard, deal with it.

RBK · Feb 01, 2006, 09:41 AM // 09:41

Has anyone thought about charging half before you leave and half after? So if they do scam you at the other end you efforts aren’t completely wasted. Odiously you would have to charge a reasonable amount of gold for the complete run. And I should imagine that this would depend on the length of time it takes and the shear difficulty it takes to get there.

For example. ( I don’t know the game well yet so I'm sorry I cant mention any places yet

) if someone wanted to be run somewhere that would take around half hour and little risk from monsters and all the rest. You could charge say around 500gp. (I don’t know what the going rate for that type of run is. So don’t get mad at me if it’s really big. Or small) and charge them 250Gp before the run. And then cash the rest in after they have reached there destination

But of course you could argue that the runner could then simple refuse to run them. But then the non-runners would have to choose there runners wisely. And then the shoe is on the other foot.

At the end of the day if a non-runner is scammed that’s down to there own stupidity really. They know the price they have to pay. If they accept that price then that’s there problem. But I think the exchange of armour to guaranty payment for the runners is a little 2 far.

Oh and as for Anet adding a payment feature. I don’t think so, I mean come on. It's a game you made up your selves, it’s got nothing to do with them at all. You think they really care weather or not you get scammed out of a couple of 100gp. I don’t think so.
This is my opinion. What do you lot think?

Ado · Feb 01, 2006, 09:53 AM // 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plague

Why they even added running skills I don't know.

In Heroes Ascent it's used a lot by warriors namely:

-capture the relic
-going slightly ahead of the rest of the group making themselves targets protecting the ones with lesser armor (this also applies to pve but not many ppl do that.
-when target is running away to overtake him
-cheap way of staying in a stance making weapons and shields that require to be in a stance more effective.

That are some reasons to have running skills

cagan · Feb 01, 2006, 10:21 AM // 10:21

Running skills also have pve applications,
- Sometimes you're group gets split up, or snuck up upon, these skills let you bridge the gap to either save the squishy players if you're the toughie .. or flee in terror if you are the squishy.
- A number of the running skills have other bonuses, like escape also offering a 75% chance to avoid attacks, always useful.

RBK: Half before the run, and half at the end would work in a world where only the runee's are scammers, as it stands, you can't give money to anyone before the run, for the chance that this person is just going to take your money, put you on ignore and change districts is very high.
And again, like many others, you have decided to mention that Anet don't care whether you're scammed out of some money, which is blatantly false.

While i don't see them implementing this feature being discussed, people really need to stop suggesting that runners deserved to be scammed, and Anet don't care.

*Noone* deserves to be scammed, and *No* scamming should be tolerated, and all indications thus far seem to have implied that scammers aren't tolerated by Anet, and do get punished.

Savio · Feb 01, 2006, 10:23 AM // 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by RBK

Has anyone thought about charging half before you leave and half after?

Runner: alright everyone pay up half
(Everyone pays)
(Runner leaves party)

That's why no legitimate runner asks for payment upfront; it's one of the oldest of scams.

Gem · Feb 01, 2006, 10:41 AM // 10:41

Some peoples attitudes here bother me, but I will let that be.

As a professional runner (= my running service is open always when I'm online) I would like some feature to prevent scamming, but I do not see Anet adding such feature anytime soon. Anet IS against all kinds of scamming and supports running, they have said both, so this might happen some day.

Avoiding scamming (both runner and runned) is relatively easy on most runs if you are cautious enough. For longer runs with many area portals and outposts you can take a payment for example at each outpost or at each portal that preceeds an outpost. A runner able to run the beginning and willing to use time for some of the money will run the rest of the trip too, if the payment parts are reasonable. A customer needs to pay a small amount for progression, so no scamming possible, unless they leave at first outpost, which is not a big deal for the runner. Small runs are a problem, as you really can't ask money upfront and with no portals between the start and destination you need to rely on the customer and hope he pays after the run.

Also sayout aloud that 1) you will restart run if one of the customers doesn't pay 2) you report scammers, who then might get a ban. After this scammers mostly leave the party. I have only ever been scammed twice (for 500g or less) and I have run a LOT.

RBK · Feb 01, 2006, 11:06 AM // 11:06

I do understand what you’re saying and believe it or not I do agree. And I’m not saying that I agree with scamming. infact I can't stand scamming its diabolical that people need to cheat other people to get what they want. - i just wanted to clear that up. just incase anyone though otherwise.

I’m Just trying to understand why people scam I don’t get it. unfortunately there will always be people wanting something for nothing. And at the end of the day I think people just have to accept the fact that people scam. And yes it is the minority that do it but its that minority that seems to over shadow the rest of the guild wars gaming community. And any gaming community come to think of it.

I like most others like to pay my way in everything I do. At the end of the day I want to have a positive reputation on any game that I play. And I hope I haven’t offend anyone with my comment that anet doesn’t care about you. What I ment was I don’t think anet are that bothered by someone not paying someone a couple of 100GP. thinking on it now it was wrong of me to stay that.

it's only I'm not yet acustom to this game yet. and other games like this one the mods don't really care about things like that. i asumed they anet wasnt that botherd by the odd scam. i was wrong and im sorry for sujesting that.

I guess whats I'm trying to say is that i don't think anet would intorduce this payment idea because i think they have other priorities at the moment. maybe they will look into this idea at another time.

After all there are risks in any scheme that anyone makes to generate funds, and where there are people working hard. And we all know that the people that are out to to get something for nothing aren’t to far behind them. It’s a fact and I don’t think that it will ever be solved. Unfortunately there will always be someone to ruin someone else’s fun, and abuse the unwritten rules layed down by people and anet. not sujesting that scaming is a unwirtten rule but i think you know what i mean.

Gem · Feb 01, 2006, 11:25 AM // 11:25

Forgot totally. Has anyone really seen a good proposal how to implement this kind of system? I haven't. It should be easy to use, but it shouldn't be such a major thing that would promote running too much. If something highly visual is added, it might make new players buy runs and not play the game. I always ask my customers if the character is their first. If they admit that it is, I ask them to play the game, not to run past all storyline elements. Maby this system would have an unlock system that lets you to use it only to make agreements on runs to locations that you have visited with one of your characters. (Lol, unlocking cities

)

I will take time to make an UI proposal today and then post it here.